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nwadvana ♡ 87 ( +1 | -1 )
Sicilian or Caro Kann (I'm sure i must of posted this earlier somewhere, anyways)

Ive been playing the pirc defence against 1 e4, knowing that is lt hardly leaves white quaking in his boots, nevertheless i have learnt much from it. Now that i have reached a level of strength where i feel i would like to play in my opinion more sound defences where i can get good counterplay. I like both the sicilian and caro kann as black. I prefer postional battles, which of these two should i spend time learning theory of. I know its a matter of personal preference, but some general guidelines on what each offer would be benificial to me.

Lastly, ive serahced amazon, for books on both defences and they seem to be out of print or not recommended, recommendations on particular openings books would be welcome :-)


tovmauzer ♡ 11 ( +1 | -1 )
Do you really think that Pirc is "less sound"? I had some painful defeats as white trying to prove this and finally... I started to play it myself:)
nwadvana ♡ 13 ( +1 | -1 )
:-) Of course not, The pirc has a deadly sting in its tail. But as a personal thing, i dont enjoy the games which occur from it :-)
atrifix ♡ 71 ( +1 | -1 )
The Pirc is perfectly "sound", and you can get good counterplay in just about any opening--certainly the Pirc probably affords more counterplay than the Caro-Kann. Also the French Defense is perfectly "sound", as is 1... e5. Lev Alburt's Pirc Alert! is good. John Nunn's two-volume set on the Sicilian Najdorf is good, if a little dated. For the basic concepts of the sicilian, try finding Polugayevsky's Sicilian Defense books, although they're probably out of print. I don't know of any more recent books, but there are probably a few; look for books on the Kan, Taimanov, Najdorf, Schevenigen and Dragon variations. As for the Caro-Kann, check out the Panov-Botvinnik attack and of course the modern main line with 4... Nd7 in addition to the classical 4... Bf5.
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rafaelluiz ♡ 21 ( +1 | -1 )
Really ... Really the caro-kann has some variants that give to black tactical games, but in general it is more positional than the sicilian defense.

Karpov can give to you the reasons for this. :o)

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nottop ♡ 91 ( +1 | -1 )
Pirc to Modern Of course the Caro and Sicilian are both fine defenses.
But it is easy to go wrong in the Sicilian, when starting from scratch. There are some very dry lines in the Caro wherein black has a sound position but is simply playing for the draw.
To not lose what you have learned from the Pirc, you might consider switching to the modern. It's similar to the Pirc, but the action is more delayed and the games can be more positional.
It's very hard in chess to force the game to the types of positions you'd like to play. You would prefer to play more positionally but then you also have to be ready for a tactical game. And vica versa.
The modern might lend itself to what you are seeking.
If you can stand an awful bishop, you might consider the French. I play that and enjoy the Rubinstein lines. But it can get pretty tactical too.
Really, no matter what you play, you have to be ready for tactics.
chuckventimiglia ♡ 18 ( +1 | -1 )
I think I hear the first post.... saying that he is confident now with the Pirc
and he wants to move to another Black response
to 1.e4 I prefer the Sicilian. It is a fighting defense but that is purely personal. Chuck
myway316 ♡ 22 ( +1 | -1 )
Try something different... ...that makes your opponent do most of his own thinking.My recommendation:1...Nc6,Nimzovitch's Defense.Not to knock the others,but do you want to keep reaching the same old theory heavy lines over and over again,ad nauseum?
mettlesome ♡ 180 ( +1 | -1 )
Going back... Going back to your original post, you said you were looking for something more solid....
Having fiddled with the Pirc myself, I imagine you would consider the Carokhan more 'solid'.

I took the carokhan up last year for my over-the-board games and did okay with it.....EXCEPT...I found that I didn't like the style of position that I ended up playing after the Panov-Botvinnik Attack (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 ), which kind of made me feel that I was playing a Queens Gambit, and which I found quite frustrating.

Since I play the Benko against 1.d4, I thought I'd take the plunge and try to get started with the Sicilian....and finally it seems to suit me much better. You spend your games being provocative, and constantly trying to balance attack and defence, but I'm having much more fun than I used to with the Caro....

Remember, the Caro basically starts off as a strong point defence (holding d5) and then develops because blacks pieces come out easily.

For the person who said that black has a crap bishop in the French, he's right, BUT against the Panov attack, if ever I develop my white squared bishop to an active square, I found I had problems after moves like Qb3 (attacking both d5 and b7...exactly like when you try to develop that bishop to an active square in the Queens Gambit...).

I'm not much of an expert, but Yermolinsky gave some good advice about choosing an opening when he said that you should pick out some Grandmaster games from the openings that tempt you, and play them out to the point where the opening has finished and ask yourself "Would I like to play this type of position?"

Hope this helps

nwadvana ♡ 13 ( +1 | -1 )
:-) Thanks alot guys, its cleared a few things up, i'll probably try them out and determine the one which i feel most comfortable with.
nwadvana ♡ 28 ( +1 | -1 )
In any case Are there any 'good' opening reportoire books, which help you build an opening repoitoire based on likes dislikes. Asking for a bit too much, but most of the reviews Ive read about some reportoire are quite negative. Nevertheless, the internet should be a good source.
a_professional_idiot ♡ 31 ( +1 | -1 )
Caro over Sicilian Both have their ups and downs, but I find that the Caro can be much more effective if only because people are less experienced in dealing with it. Sicilian players can also have problems with the Closed Sicilian, where white seems to be able to draw at will.
triangulator ♡ 31 ( +1 | -1 )
I would consider the pric more "sound" than the sicilian as you equalize more easilly. it all depends on what you like, try them out, challenge a bunch of players with 1 opening and then a bunch with the other see how you do, how you like the positions, also try them out in blitz, this is how I chose what I play