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invincible1 ♡ 183 ( +1 | -1 )
Sicilian Pelikan Question: I have played the Pelikan/Sveshnikov extensively with many good results. However, one line that I believed to be better for black has always troubled me! The line : 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Nd-b5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 f5 11.Bd3 Be6 12.O-O Bxd5 13.exd5 Ne7 14.Nxb5 Bg7 15.Nc3 e4 16.Bc4

I used to think that 14.Nxb5 gave black a slight edge or at least equality, and white's way to go was 14.c3. However, dominickmazzotta kept playing this line against me and won all 3-4 games we had in this variation!! I just don't understand (though again there is a huge rating difference between him and me ;-) ).

One recent game with him in this line (me black of course) continued : 14.Nxb5 Bg7 15.Nc3 e4 16.Bc4 Ng6 17.Qh5 Bxc3 18.bxc3 Qf6 19.Qh6 Rg8 20.Ra-e1 Ke7 21.Re-b1 Ra7 22.Rb6 Qh4 23.Qe3 Rc7 24.g3 Qh3 and at this point I was sitting happily think this could be my first win against Dom or I AT LEAST have a draw. Then the master came up with 25.Rf-b1!! a move I did not anticipate at all but realised soon after that I was toast!! Anyway, the game continued 25...Ne5 26.Bf1 Qh5 27.Be2 Qh3 28.Rxa6 Rg6 29.Ra8 Kf6 30.Rd8 Kg7 31.Rb-b8 and I resigned.

My first question, where did I go wrong in this game?

My more important question, for 12.0-0, is there something else that black can play? I don't wish to play 10....Bg7. I prefer playing the immediate 10....f5 as against the 12.0-0 line I play 12....Rg8 and not Bg7. After this game, I think I tried 12.0-0 Rg8?! in my next game with Dom, but lost again!! So in my current game, I played 10....Bg7 :-(. Now we are in a very double edged position but I believe he has the edge. Even if I win this game with 10.....Bg7 (like that is going to happen when I haven't one a single game in over 30 games with him ;) ), I still wish to play 10....f5 from my next game again. So, any Pelikan player or Top player, please advice something against the 12.0-0 line.

Thanks a lot.



invincible1 ♡ 6 ( +1 | -1 )
whoops Above I meant that against the 12.Qh5 (NOT 12.0-0) line I play 12...Rg8 and not Bg7.
nottop ♡ 119 ( +1 | -1 )
Qh6 new move This looks like a new move to me - I cannot find it in books or dbf's. Many other options for white's 19th move are considered and none seems to give him much.
I see the point of the move - and the game looked well-played.
Of course you can also vary earlier -
In the Yakovich book "The Complete Sveshnikov Sicilian"- he claims 16. .. Ng6 is best - but the lines given against 16. ...Qa5 don't appear to give white much. In "The Sveshnikov Sicilian" *(Krasenkov), he preferred Qa5 (although he also thought Ng6 was fine).
There might be chances later - I like Rg8 but are you sure Ke7 is best? I looked a little at Qh4 - not to the extent a player would in a serious game - it looks to me like black has reasonable compensation with or without queens.
One line I looked at ran 21. Qe3 Ne5 22.Be2 Rg6 23.Reb1 (for instance - and there are lots of other choices for both) - it looks like an interesting typical sort of Sveshnikov. I think that after Rg6 black should play for (at the appropriate time) Kf8 instead of Ke7. There are also lines where black can give up the a pawn to activate the queen rook (playing Rc8, Rc4) if white decides to win the a pawn black can hope the game will not be decided in the endgame.
Just some ideas.
baseline ♡ 181 ( +1 | -1 )
perhaps this will help I've been playing the Sveshnikov for some time but have only encountered this line once and I had the white pieces. here is the game taken from my database if nothing else it will give you more info on the line.

[Event "League division C1"]
[Site "->
[Date "2003.12.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "baseline"]
[Black "anomia2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2114"]
[BlackElo "2036"]
[PlyCount "43"]
[EventDate "2003.??.??"]
[EventType "swiss"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 f5 11. Bd3 Be6 12. Qh5 Bg7 13. O-O f4 14. c4 bxc4
15. Bxc4 O-O 16. Rac1 Kh8 17. Rfd1 Rb8 18. b3 Qd7 19. Qh4 Bxd5 20. Bxd5 Nb4 21.
Rd2 Qf5 $4 (21... f5 22. Nc4 (22. Qh3 Nxd5 (22... f3 23. Nc4 Qe7 24. exf5 (24.
Ne3 Nxd5 25. Nxd5 Qg5 26. Rcd1 fxe4 27. Ne3 fxg2 28. Rxd6 Rf3 29. Qxg2 Qh4 30.
Kh1 Rg8 31. Rg1 Rxf2 32. Qg3 Qxg3 33. Rxg3 Rxa2 34. Nf5 Bf8 35. Re6 Ra5 36. Kg2
Rxg3+ 37. Kxg3 Kg8 38. Kg4 Kf7 39. Rb6 Ra2 40. Rb7+ Kf6 41. Rxh7 Rf2 42. Ng3 e3
43. Rc7 Rxh2 44. Rc6+ Kf7 45. Rc3 Bh6 46. Nf5 e2 47. Nxh6+ Rxh6 48. Re3 Ke6 49.
Rxe2 Kd5 50. Kg5 Rh1 51. Ra2 Rg1+ 52. Kf5 Rf1+ 53. Kg4 e4 {
0-1 Leyva,R-Remon,A/Holguin 1992/EXT 98}) 24... e4 25. Ne3 fxg2 26. Bc4 Be5 27.
Rcd1 Qg7 28. Qxg2 Qh6 29. Qxe4 Qxh2+ 30. Kf1 d5 31. Bxd5 Nxd5 32. Rxd5 Bg7 33.
Qg2 Qf4 34. Rd7 Rg8 35. Qh3 Rbe8 36. R1d6 Rgf8 37. Rg6 Rxe3 38. Qxh7+ Kxh7 39.
Rgxg7+ {1-0 Ernst,T-Benjamin,J/Reykjavik 1990/CBM 018 ext}) (22... Qe7 23. exf5
(23. Qf3 fxe4 24. Bxe4 d5 25. Qh3 dxe4 26. Rd7 Rbc8 27. Rxc8 Rxc8 28. Nc4 Rd8 {
0-1 Pujols,C-Almeida,O/Basarrate 1998/EXT 2002}) 23... e4 24. Nc4 Rb5 25. Rcd1
Qf6 26. Qg4 e3 27. fxe3 fxe3 28. Nxe3 Bh6 29. Qf3 Qe7 30. Re2 Qa7 31. Be4 d5
32. Bd3 Re8 33. Bxb5 axb5 34. a3 Rxe3 35. Rxe3 Qxe3+ 36. Qxe3 Bxe3+ 37. Kf1 Nc2
38. Rxd5 Nxa3 39. f6 Kg8 40. Ke2 Bc1 41. Kd3 Bb2 42. Rf5 Kf7 43. g4 Bc1 44. g5
{1-0 Sandor,C-Hardicsay,P/Werfen 1993/EXT 97}) 23. Rxd5 Qb7 24. Qf3 fxe4 25.
Qxe4 f3 26. g3 Qd7 27. Qe1 Rf4 28. Qf1 Rd4 29. Rd1 Qe6 {
0-1 Markovic,M-Nurkic,S/Pula 1990/EXT 2000}) (22. exf5 Qxf5 23. f3 {I'm sure th
is is the line anomia2 intended to play before making what I call a clerical
error.}) 22... Nxd5 23. Rxd5 fxe4 24. Rxd6 Qf5 25. h3 h5 26. Qe7 e3 27. fxe3
fxe3 28. Rd7 Bf6 29. Nxe3 Qe4 30. Qc5 Bg5 31. Nd5 Qf5 32. Ne7 Qxd7 33. Qxe5+
Kh7 34. Qxg5 Rb6 35. Nd5 Rg6 36. Qxh5+ Rh6 37. Qe5 Rf5 38. Rc7 Rxe5 39. Rxd7+
Kg8 40. Kf2 Kf8 41. Nf4 Rc5 42. Kf3 Rc2 43. g4 Rxa2 44. g5 Rb6 45. Kg4 Rb4 46.
g6 Rg2+ 47. Kf5 Rxf4+ 48. Kxf4 Rxg6 49. Rb7 a5 {
1/2-1/2 Renet,O-Kortschnoj,V/Lugano 1988/EXT 97}) 22. exf5 1-0

drdesoto ♡ 95 ( +1 | -1 )
I agree with Chris ... 20 .. Ke7 doesn't look ideal to me, 20. ... Qh4 seems to be the better move though I don't play the variation with 10. ... f5. I agree that the King should move to g7 via f8 but the position isn't easy to play for black.

19. Qh6 has been played OTB before. Text move here 19. ... Qxc3 20. Bb3 and now diffeent fom the match perhaps Ke7 is possible - 21. Rab1 Rhg8 22. Ba4 Rb8 ~ looks better to me than 19. ... Rg8.

Postny,Evgeny 2563
Nguyen,Ngoc Truongson 2466
Budapest Novotel op 22.08.2004
(L=B; S=N; T=R; D=Q)
1.e4 c5 2.Sf3 Sc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Sxd4 Sf6
5.Sc3 e5 6.Sdb5 d6 7.Lg5 a6 8.Sa3 b5
9.Lxf6 gxf6 10.Sd5 f5 11.Ld3 Le6 12.0-0
Lxd5 13.exd5 Se7 14.Sxb5 Lg7 15.Sc3 e4
16.Lc4 Sg6 17.Dh5 Lxc3 18.bxc3 Df6
19.Dh6 Dxc3 20.Lb3 a5 21.La4+ Ke7
22.Tae1 Tag8 23.Kh1 Dg7 24.Dxg7 Txg7
25.f3 Tb8 26.fxe4 f4 27.Tf2 Tgg8 28.Lb3
Tgc8 29.Tf3 Tb4 30.c3 Tb5 31.Th3 Tbc5
32.c4 Ta8 33.Tc1 Tb8 34.Kg1 Se5 35.Txh7
Tb4 36.Th3 a4 37.Ld1 Tcxc4 38.Txc4 Sxc4
39.Tc3 Se3 40.Lf3 Tb1+ 41.Kf2 Tb2+
42.Kg1 Txa2 43.h4 a3 44.h5 Ta1+ 45.Kh2
a2 46.Ta3 Kf6 47.e5+ Kxe5 48.h6 Kf6
49.Ta6 Kg5 50.g3 fxg3+ 51.Kh3 Kxh6
52.Txd6+ Kg7 53.Ta6 Tf1 54.d6 Txf3 55.d7

for the 12. 0-0 line I don't see many "new" alternatives: Rc8/g8 or Nb8 seems worth a try. I personally don't like the variation with 12. ... Bxd5 and would play ... Bg7


masros ♡ 23 ( +1 | -1 )
Look at this mini tournament.Maybe it's can give you an idea Look at this mini tournament.Maybe it's can give you an idea ->
invincible1 ♡ 22 ( +1 | -1 )
thanks everyone Went though all this analysis carefully. Yeah, maybe I should try something else instead of ....Bxd5 lines. And yes, now I realise, Ke7 was indeed amistake in this game. Thanks again for the time and effort