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| From | Message | Posted by andy94
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11/16/2008
08:02:21
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"White plays to win, black plays to draw."
I don't remember who said it, but it's an interesting thing to talk about.
What do you think?
| Posted by ionadowman
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11/16/2008
12:36:32
Play online chess | Is it indeed attributable to one person?...
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I seems to have been the approach taken by many chess masters, but certainly not all. Judging by the recent World Championship match, Vishy Anand had no idea of taking such a line. Bobby Fischer would have thought such an approach pusillanimous.
I much prefer the attitude of one Efim Bogoljubov, who flourished in the '20s and '30s: "When I have White, I win because I have the White pieces; when I have Black, I win because I am Bogojubov."
Cheers,
Ion
| Posted by ccmcacollister
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11/16/2008
14:02:17
Play online chess | I have always liked Bogo's~! Very masterful :))
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Corollaries:
Alekhine: "When I am WT I win because I am Alekhine, with black I win because you Are Bogojubov".
Mine: "When I am White I win because You are not Bogojubov, with black I win because Bogojubov is deceased and only had an hour to get to the board. "
{ "Wait a minute, I won? What happened??" }
}8-)
About drawing with black, winning with WT. Obviously it Wins any single match. Besides that it is often used in RR or double RR play particularly amongst near equals and in long events. In Swiss play, especially short ones, it is not so commonly sought.
There it might be more like: Crush the lower rated because you are higher rated; Win with WT among your peers; and Let's see about winning with black among peers and betters since I hope to know my chosen defense better, but if not perhaps I will grace them (aka "bail out" :) with a draw . . .
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Ukraine Wins Gold Medal at Chess Olympiad — A draw in its final match on Sunday was enough to secure Ukraine the team gold medal in the open section of the Chess Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia. It was the first team medal for Ukraine in the competition, which is held every two years, since 2004, when Ukraine also won the gold. Russia’s top team had a chance to catch Ukraine in the last round, but only managed to draw against Spain, despite a win by Vladimir Kramnik over Alexei Shirov, Spain’s top chess player. Russia wound up with the silver — its first medal since 2004, when it also finished with the silver behind Ukraine. Israel, Ukraine’s final-round opponent, tied for third with Hungary, which beat Poland. On tie-breakers, Israel won ...
Posted by kansaspatzer
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11/16/2008
14:04:45
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I think that such an approach is more applicable at a higher level than most of us are at. Certainly, when you look at the world championship matches such as the one just played between Kramnik and Anand, the notion of who was White and who was Black was critical to match strategy (and it was a very big deal when Anand won as Black.) At my level - I'm around 1600 both on here and OTB, I'm going to play for a win any time I'm playing somebody unless they're much higher rated than I am, in which case I may head for drawish lines, knowing that heading for a technical endgame will likely play into the hands of someone with more endgame experience than myself.
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Ukraine Leads Chess Olympiad; Russia Has Clinched Women's Title — With one round to go in the biennial Chess Olympiad, in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia, the team from Ukraine leads the open section with Russia 1 (the top Russian team) in second and Israel in third. In the women’s division, Russia’s top team has already locked up the gold medal by winning all its matches. China is in second and four teams are tied for third. The final round is Sunday. Since Ukraine and Russia have already played, Ukraine will face Israel, while Russia 1 takes on Spain, which is among a group of five teams tied for fourth. Led by Vassily Ivanchuk, who won his first six games, Ukraine, the No. 2 seed, took the lead in Round 7 and has managed to hold it by drawing with Russia 1, the top seed, in ...
Posted by cascadejames
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11/16/2008
20:39:57
Play online chess | Better with Black?
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For reasons that are unclear to me, I have consistently had a better record on Gameknot with
black. So I am skeptical about the application of the rule to those of use who are not Class A
players or higher.
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Magnus Carlsen plays the maverick but Michael Adams plays it canny — England experienced highs and lows in successive rounds at the Chess Olympiad this week and will do well to reach a top-15 finish in Sunday's final round. In round six Norway's boards 2-4 looked outgunned, so British chess champion Michael Adams v world No1 Magnus Carlsen seemed a critical pairing. Carlsen's opening three moves shocked the chess world: 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Nf6?! 3 e5 Nh5?! It appears a novice choice but is the North Sea Defence, has been tried by a few maverick chess grandmasters, and offers a pawn for active play by 4 Be2 d6 5 Bxh5 gxh5 6 Qxh5 dxe5 7 dxe5 Rg8. Adams preferred a slight risk-free edge but Carlsen's position was solid until his fresh provocations 18...g5? ...
Posted by lighttotheright
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11/16/2008
21:35:48
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I sometimes play for a draw, even when I'm white. I drew a 2300 + player recently doing just that. I was surprised to get an early lead, but I knew it wasn't enough to win. When I got a chance to trade Queens, I took it. I had to give back some material to force a draw, but it worked.
I sometimes lose a game because I push things too far - trying to force a win.
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At Chess Olympiad, No Team Is Perfect — It turns out that no team is capable of running away from the field at the Chess Olympiad, at least in the open section. Monday, the last three undefeated and untied teams in the competition — Hungary, Armenia and the Republic of Georgia — failed to win their matches. Armenia and Georgia played each other and drew, while Hungary lost to Ukraine. Armenia, Georgia and Ukraine are now tied for the lead with five wins and one draw, for a total of 11 points each. The two top Russian teams, Poland, the United States, Azerbaijan and Hungary are tied for fourth, each with 10 points. In the women’s portion of the Chess Olympiad, one team — the top one from Russia — remains perfect, though ...
Posted by kansaspatzer
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11/16/2008
22:34:56
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An attitude I would generally find more profitable would be "keeping the draw in hand" rather than "outright playing for the draw". Trying to push for a miniscule advantage is easier than pushing outright for a draw, in which you aren't able to claim any positional advantages, which can be tricky since playing for a draw tends to be harder than it sounds.
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Kirsan Ilyumzhinov Re-elected as World Chess Federation President — Kirsan Ilyumzhinov was re-elected as president of the World Chess Federation on Wednesday. Mr. Ilyumzhinov reportedly defeated Anatoly Karpov, the former world chess champion, by a vote of 99 to 55. Each country in the federation, which is also known by the acronym FIDE (for Fédération Internationale des Échecs), had one vote. Mr. Ilyumzhinov’s new term runs to 2014; he has been president of FIDE since 1995. The election was held in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia, where the biennial Chess Olympiad is also being played. As part of Mr. Ilyumzhinov’s ticket, Georgios Makropoulos of Greece was re-elected deputy president; Lewis Ncube of Zambia and Beatriz Marinello ...
Posted by blake78613
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11/17/2008
04:55:41
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When I am Black, I am happy to repeat a line that lead to a draw, and will keep repeating it until someone finds a way to obtain an advantage. While with White if I draw with a line, I will start looking for a different line.
| Posted by ionadowman
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11/17/2008
12:29:51
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... I got roped into a six-round Easter tournament, having played just one game (in a telegraph match) in the previous 12 months. Naturally I wasn't in form, having made no preparation. In the event Black won all six of my games!
On reflection, I suppose that wasn't such a good occasion to depart from my usual English Opening to try opening lines I hadn't played before. That wasn't very clever... :(
Cheers,
Ion
| Posted by farhadexists
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11/18/2008
08:07:12
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At my level (1500-1600), I don't think it matters, as almost every single game is decided by a blunder of some sort, mine or my opponent's.
Then again, I've won 60% of my games as White here on GK, and 53% as Black, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Farhad
| Posted by wulebgr
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11/19/2008
06:16:37
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Black is Okay
The title of a series of books, and allegedly a famous statement by some player--I don't know who.
| Posted by ketchuplover
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11/19/2008
06:24:03
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Chess is a theoretical draw-Bobby Fischer
| Posted by andy94
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11/19/2008
07:28:51
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Thanks ketchuplover, lack that quote of Bobby!
| Posted by fmgaijin
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11/19/2008
10:50:48
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EOM
| Posted by markb56
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12/04/2008
11:14:19
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I have a terrible time playing as White both on GK and OTB. My win record as Black is about 20% higher both on GK and OTB. I prefer playing with a plan (e.g positional) rather than attack. It also depends on the opponent -- young players seem to have a harder time grinding it out than older players, as they need constant stimulus to stay interested.
| Posted by ionadowman
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12/04/2008
11:50:06
Play online chess | I guess it depends...
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... on what you find "stimulating" enough to keep your interest. Consider that you are down a pawn in a rook ending; possibly - even probably - a draw, but your opponent has whatever the winning chances going. What keeps you interested enough to play the thing down to its last gasp - lose or draw? It could, of course, be your place in a tournament - the possibility of a "grade prize" (if such things are offered), or, since your opponent has 200 ELO rating points more, there's the "moral victory" of acquiring a significant boost to your own rating and an addition to your chess CV.
Then, there's the intellectual exercise of making the best of the situation, finding whatever tactics there might be in the position, of setting your opponent problems. The same goes if you're on the upside of such an endgame.
Maybe it's worth thinking of it in these terms: When down, you are extracting a draw from a game probably lost; when ahead, you are extracting a win from a game probably drawn! Grinding out the win is not always - I find it's not even usually - lacking in interest.
Cheers,
Ion
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