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ccmcacollister 55 ( +1 | -1 )
What is NOT FUN about Chess ...?? Getting hit in the head with his King ...
Losing that first pawn from your set ...
Very short, melted Drueke pieces in your car window ...
Your ex-wife, GradeSchoolChamp, will never play you again after the first game :(
Deciding who is World Champion !?!?!
Your In The Money, and its 8 way tie for 3rd place
Tie-Breakers for a trophy
Making Class-B . . . from Master }8-(
Oriental Stick Dancing starts next room down, 10 moves into Final Round of Tmt.
(Been there, done em all)

ccmcacollister 30 ( +1 | -1 )
But there's more ! It's not fun when GK's Forums get slow and dull :((
And its not fun when you would like to hear some old War Stories from other players about some of their tournaments or games but everyone is too humble or too busy or too gone. :((((
And its not fun when you make the second move of your brilliant combination first !
usethepawn 15 ( +1 | -1 )
I will tell you what is not fun! its not fun when you have so many good moves to make and you cant decide which one is the best so you move one and it turns out its the wrong one and you end up losing !!!!! that is not fun
masros 7 ( +1 | -1 )
When my opponent's move is not same as I expected...very frustating!!
bananaman1 8 ( +1 | -1 )
It's not fun when it's going to be a draw but your opponent makes you play the
game out.
bucklehead 67 ( +1 | -1 )
A few thoughts... --Chess is so complex that a study of several lifetimes can hardly exhaust the subject*
--With all that's going on, we could have a World Championship match every three months for years to come*
--Why does ebony have to be so darned expensive?*
--Can't we all please give the King's Gambit the rest it's earned?*
--Bobby Fischer, raving lunatic*
--Being across the board, virtual or otherwise, from a player who knows his Petrov*
--Being so lazy as to make ccmcacollister despair of injecting life into these forums*

* See my entry in "What's fun about Chess ?"
rose-quarz 26 ( +1 | -1 )
smothered knight is fun??? ccmcacollister claims this in the "what's fun about chess site". I can tell anyone it is certainly no fun at all when you are the victim of a smothered knight mate by your opponent. Especially when your opponent has just sacrificed 2 rooks and a queen to achieve it.
ccmcacollister 64 ( +1 | -1 )
OOPS, I musta forgot a detail ... Um, indeed it should be noted rose-quarz, the fun of the smothered knight mate is dependent upon one having the UNMATED-King! The one you describe, certainly
sounds fun, you were simply sitting on the wrong side of the board ! ... A minor seating error to be addressed. }8-)
But hey, now YOU'VE seen the trick and so it's YOUR turn to have the fun, next time !! And I wish you "GOOD-SKILL" in the endeavor. I assure you, it is something to look forward too !!!
Sounds like that would be a wonderful game to see in the 'memorabe games' thread
here in Chess Forum! I'd certainly like to, if you do post it [8-) .
jjw109 21 ( +1 | -1 )
can you give us the board number? id=rose-quarz, do you have a game here on GK with the smothered mate. I'm sure many of us would like to see it as that's one of those mates that comes along infrequently (i.e., along with 0-0-0#, c8=N#, etc...).
rose-quarz 32 ( +1 | -1 )
game in question It was played on ICC sometime in October. I used up my 2 weeks trial there but didn't join. I don't know if they have the game and can't remember who my opponent was. This was the first chess site I tried and I did not think to save my games. Smothered mate is no fun for the receiving opponent wherever the chess game has been played!!
jstack 16 ( +1 | -1 )
When your are tied for 1st.... in the last round of a tournament. A win guarentees first. A draw gives you a tie for second or third. But you lose and drop to 4th place and out of the prize money. That is definitely not fun!
ccmcacollister 417 ( +1 | -1 )
Two "standard" smothered Mates. . . . rose-quarz , if only you had a copy, your game would have been great here. But my mind isn't Computer-Friendly & so I forgot we only need a Board# Link to show a GK game, till jstack mentioned it. So I thought more people could enjoy it in the other thread if you had to type-out the game(not that it shouldnt go here)It sounds intriguing. Too bad it's not recorded, or the start position of the combina-
tion. ************************************************
Anyone unfamiliar with smothered Mates by knight, here's 3 more std. examples with WT to move in each one.
#1 WT has: Kb1,Rh1,Nf4 and BL:Pawns g7,h7,Kh8 & anypiece on g8. SO= 1.Ng6++
The next two are a bit more complex & elegant.
#2 WT has:Kb1, Qd4, Ng5 ; and BL has: Pawns at g7 & h7, Kg8, Rc8
#3 WT has:Kb1, Qd4, Ng5; and BL has: Pawns at g6 & h7, Kg8, Rc8, Bg7
In both #2 & #3 the same moves produce the Mate.
1.Qd5+ Kh8
{if 1...Kf8?? 2,Qf7++ Mate} so then next is...
2. Nf7+ Kg8
3. Nh6 ! double ck
3. . . . Kh8
4.Qg8+ Rxg8 (the K cannot take by Kxg8 since the N would be checking it if he did}
Is Checkmate in both examples #2 and #3.
A few things to take note of in #2 & #3 type Mates here:
a) These two themes do come-up at times in real game situations, so it is worth knowing them. And so can example #1.
b) Note that if BL's Rook had been a Queen instead, the combination does not result in Checkmate with the Knight because it would then be a case of 4. Qg8+ ?? Qxg8 5.Nf7+ Qxf7 . So in these particular examples WT would choose between
3.Nd6 ck (is discovered ck by the Q on d5}
3. . . . Kh8
4. Nxc8 winning BL's Queen {which leaves WT a won position here.}
OR if WT wants to draw this game due to tournament situation or any reason; [or perhaps BL had more pieces so that gaining the BL Queen would still not leave WT winning . . . ] then WT can force a draw here by "Three Time Repetition of Position
Rule" by the moves of :
3.Ng5+ {2nd Rep.} Kh8
4.Nf7+ {2nd Rep. That Position} Kg8
5.Ng5+ {3rd Rep.} = Draw if WT claims it here. From the TD, if opp does not acknowledge his Draw. If WT did NOT claim if here. Then he could on his next move of 5...Kh8 6.Nf7+ since That position just repeats the 3rd time there. Or could claim it a 3 time Rep Draw on the fourth Rep of 6...Kg8 7.Ng5+ / or if WT made no draw claim on 5.Ng5+ Then BL could claim his 3 time Rep on 6...Kh8 if he desired one. Or on any following 3rd or greater Rep of a position.
[Failing to claim it the 3rd ttime it happens does not prevent claiming it on any future Rep, be it 4th , 5th, 20th or beyond.]
Note WT could have used 5.Nh6 double check, or any other discoved Knight check to start repeating. But it would only have been the first Rep occurance then, not the 2nd like with 5.Ng5 . Was just a move quicker here, which would only be a clock consideration in this case of position, as others are equally forcible by WT.
c) Going back and making it a Rook again, not a Queen for BLack ... It will be more common that the Rook actually be on Rf8, and so what usually happens in a real game situation is that; if BL understands the fact that 2.Nf7+ will lead to a smothered mate by the sequence of 2. ... Kg8 ?? 3.Nh6 dbl ck, etc, then BL will usually go ahead and sac the exchange by 2. ... Rxf7 3.Qxf7 & hope to survive the material loss of The Exchange, since he has at least stopped the forced mating net
One more rather common Smothered Mate comes to mind, in the form of an opening trap in the Caro-Kann. Which goes like this:
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 (or Nd2) dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nbd7 5.Qe2 !? {a trappy but playable
variation} now the hand almost begs to play the natural feeling & typical type N move of 5.....Ngf6, but alas, then 6.Nd6 ++ MATE / Which can also occur from the
same moves, but substituting Nf3 for WT's move of d4. Making a 2 Knight CK, but
the trap remains the same, with 6.Nd6++ then too.
Twice in OTB tournament play I've had Class A players fall into the Mate, when employed againt ones I felt played too quick or inattentively in the opening. Two out of approx. 5 trys. And Qe2 has played out well even vs a couple Experts, the CK being a slower system for BL.
What BL usually plays there in leau of getting mated is 5. ... Ndf6 & then the BL Q covers d6 from any Nd6+ coming there.
Another Smother can occur vs WT in the 3. ... Nf6 Tarrach French sub-variation in which WT plays f4 rather than the more common Bd3. But I'll leave it for the Anti-French forces to uncover for themselves ... }8-)
NOW REALLy, don't smothered Mates look more fun ?! ... than NOT FUN !?

onlygb 25 ( +1 | -1 )
I can't believe no one said it: Watching your GK rating PLUNGE from 1550 to 1370 in less than a month is NOT fun.

This comes at a time when I'm studying tactics out the wazoo. Guess it's all part of learning this confounded game.
zucan 14 ( +1 | -1 )
heh... speaking of rating drops Watching my *club* rating drop... it has dropped over 200 points in the last few months, and I am quickly heading for my *initial* rating! UGH!

revoltingpeasant 10 ( +1 | -1 )
Having to go away suddenly after taking a vacation and for all your games to time out... Not so good...
honololou 3 ( +1 | -1 )
losing games… that you should have won.
roland_l 22 ( +1 | -1 )
Looking through a GM game ... ... and having no idea why they made about half the moves they made, only to see one resign for no visable reason. This is also not too fun.

ps oh yeah, and the word 'cheater' (ie playing against one or being called one) is not fun
rose-quarz 21 ( +1 | -1 )
ccmcacollister And it's not fun when your just about to set up your first smothered knight mate, that is if your opponent avoids immediate back rank mate, and they resign before you get the chance.
ketchuplover 7 ( +1 | -1 )
When your opponent rips out your intestines. How rude?
ccmcacollister 14 ( +1 | -1 )
rose-quarz . . . Um, Winning is fun tho!? Well okay, its no fun when you are trying to be artsy and they wont cooperate! I'll believe that :) Conratulations on your win anyway tho !
mrpithers 33 ( +1 | -1 )
Double Whammy Combining what ccmcacollister and roland_l have said, it is not fun to (1) play the second move of your combination first, and then (2) run the game through Fritz and have Fritz tell you that your "mistake" was the best move you made in the game!

That was one of those "I'm never going to be good at this" moments.
greyrabbit 9 ( +1 | -1 )
*lol* At least, Mrpithers, you can get Fritz to I can't work out how to tell it to do anything!
roland_l 13 ( +1 | -1 )
every time I ... Try to get Fritz to analyse one of my games, he chuckles deeply after I've put in my move and says, "try table tennis and stop wasting my time" ...
mightytiny 48 ( +1 | -1 )
When... win a pawn because of a mistake of your opponent, but that just isn't enough... you've got the taste of blood now, so you complicate things with a brilliant move that appears to lead to an exchange that leaves you with some positional gains - except after a few moves you notice that you paid for those gains with an extra piece. :O

lol! This just happened to me. Nothing like an embarrasing tactical oversight to pull you back down to earth! :)
drtimer 27 ( +1 | -1 )
is it just me who has done this? you analyse one of your GK games on your nice board, you find a killer move, stick the move into GK... and then realise that you had one vital piece set up in the wrong position on your board when transcribing from the computer screen..arrrrggghhh!!!
bucklehead 227 ( +1 | -1 )
Blinded by rage You'll forgive me if I use this thread for a little venting.

So I'm playing a 2/12 blitz game today (about the only time control I have the, er, time for these days). The game itself is fairly unremarkable--both sides played the opening well, some tactical imprecision in the middlegame--but I'd fought the good fight, and found myself up a N, though black had an advanced passer on the d-file. My general plan was to swap off the N against black's passer, then march my own passed pawn down the a-file. Here's the position in FEN:

8/6p1/2N2p1p/8/P3K1P1/2kp3P/8/8 w - - 0 42

Unfortunately, after a bit of time trouble, I found my N here in an unfavorable position. I got a knot in my stomach as I noticed that there was now no way for me to swap the N before the d3 pawn promoted. I stared and stared and stared, looking for the magic knight tour that would get me there in time. I considered 42 Nb4 for a while, figuring that if black chose he could have my N and RP in exchange for the fall of d3, but then I suspected that might be a losing line (ridiculous, since I could get there first, but I had like 10 sec). Interestingly, the computer gives this as a dead draw, since black can hold the necessary corner at h8 (for example, 42. Nb4 Kxb4 43. Kxd3 Kxa4 44. Ke4 g6 45. Kd5 h5 46. gxh5 gxh5 47. Ke6 Kb5 48. Kxf6 Kc5 49. Kg5 Kd6 50. Kxh5 Ke7 51. Kg6 Kf8 52. h4 Kg8 53. h5 Kh8 54. h6 Kg8 55. h7+ Kh8= ).

Of course, I chose the worst possible move: Nd4. After this, it is painfully obvious that the d-pawn will queen without incident. Only later did I discover a beautiful winning line: 42. Ke3! d2 43. Ke2 Kc2 44. Nd4+ and now the black king cannot guard everything (44. ...Kc1 45. Nb3+ with the fork; any other move loses the pawn and/or allows me to march my a-pawn unopposed). 44. ... Kc4, going after the a-pawn and the N is the best route, though the endgame is still bad for black by a large margin.

So my fundamental problem was that I was only considering one approach--exchanging the N against the d-pawn, rather than examining the other completely viable (and in this case winning) method of separating the K from its pawn. I can blame time if I want, but the fault is completely mine for terrible endgame technique.

Turning winning positions into losing ones because you are a careless idiot. Not fun. Not at all. I will be curling up with Fine's endgame manual tonight, though...when my rage subsides.

Thank you for your patience.
pawns-kill 85 ( +1 | -1 )
not fun when u have a clear end game winner and u make a stupid move .loose interest woundering why doesnt this guy or gal tip.resign:) when u know u are playing a comp cheater but u cant do anything about it.if one cheats ok tell me u are using let it be my choice to play or not cause i most likely wont.whats the point?do u people who cheat get some kind of cheap thrill out of this hmmm must also be loosers in life,sure wish this site could analize this kind of somthing about it other sites do.and they ban the cheater or makem put in their profile that they are i alone on this please?thanx for letting me join in the fun here:)also my spelling isnt so good thanx for trying to figure out what im talking about lol take care all>joe
honololou 7 ( +1 | -1 )
pawns-kill… if you have evidence that someone is cheating, report it to the webmaster.
pawns-kill 42 ( +1 | -1 )
honololou thank you for reply.but you know as well as i can i prove it i also dont pay to be here for cheats .webmasters should go threw these guys who are 80 percent or more wins lets be real if theirs one out of a hundred at 80 percent wins that arent i stated their are other good sites that monitor this on their own and do deal with these people.not my job or do i intend to play detective.
pawns-kill 42 ( +1 | -1 )
also all do u think? do u think their should be a rule about players who show up on one computor? im sure most of you have seen this.playing a guy looking at his profile and seeing their are 4,5,8,other users players from the same computor rating ranges from 1200s to 1800s hmmm thats a red flag for me big on a team so i must play the match.can gameknot address this also i hope so:)
misato 14 ( +1 | -1 )
pawns-kill I am glad that you only want the GUYS with more than 80 percent to be thrown out - if I understood your message correctly.
mrpithers 16 ( +1 | -1 )
Misato Yes, we'd better not extend that to women, Misato. You have an impressive win-loss-draw record, and a suspicious number of bishops in one of your games as well . . . .
mightytiny 109 ( +1 | -1 )
Suspicious? Take another look. Pawns-kill and mrpithers - don't just look at the win percentage, also take a look at the average opponent rating too.

Misato (and myself as well) haven't finished all that many games yet, and while I can't speak for Misato, I can say for myself that when I first found the site, I was just looking for a "quick fix" - a few casual games. I sent out open invitations with the suggested rating limits... quickly became hooked, and as I got a feel for what my proper rating might be, I raised the rating limits for my challenges. Now I've started to get some losses too when I play people who are around my own level.

But the statistics won't change that fast - I still show a near 80% win percentage, because of my earlier wins against lower rated opponents.

So how do you know whether a high win percentage is suspicious? Just look at the difference between the player's rating and the average opponent's rating. OF COURSE any player will win a very high percentage of games against people a couple of hundred points below them in rating! And quite without computer help.
alberlie 23 ( +1 | -1 )
... and, by the way, ... having four bishops in a game is the most you have to see to know he/she's not cheating. A computer would have waited a move and then got the queen. getting the fourth bishop is clearly done with tongue in cheek...
misato 80 ( +1 | -1 )
With a grin Just to make things clear:
For me this is a fun thread and it should remain a fun thread. My post was done with a grin, and mrpithers' reaction had the same grin - I don't feel offended or something rather than understood correctly! My friends often tell me that I have a strange kind of humour, and it's even harder to transport it without problems by written words.
Mightytiny, you described my situation 100% correctly. I still don't know what rating range at GK is appropriate for me - even if there were a lot of tough games so far (and one with very much luck in a lost position). But I am sure, the first losses will come latest when I play in the second tournament round, with 1700+ the system will put me to the experts' section.
Now, please let's return to the grin!

matrixmanne0 13 ( +1 | -1 )
It's not fun when... spend 30 painful minutes trying to find a forced win when you find out that your opponent's queen is hanging.
jamesdriggs 12 ( +1 | -1 )
smothered knight is fun??? It is when you give your oponent many chances to avoid it and he falls for it anyway. See my 2nd game against ukfeds.
pk41 4 ( +1 | -1 )
and the number one (1) reason chess is not fun? - playing ccmcacollister.
sugarandspice 39 ( +1 | -1 )
Actually.... Playing with ccmcacollister is lots of fun!! What isnt fun about GK is when people make negative comments about players who they know nothing about. What is not fun Chesswise is completely messing up an opening you know well, with a basic error and oversight!! Oh well....never mind :)
schnarre 30 ( +1 | -1 )
*lol* I've just about dealt with all the above, with a few exceptions, but I persevere. But messing up openings You know well ranks high, just under Falling apart in the middlegame after a good opening, &, watching your opponent pull a saving checkmate on you in a game you're winning.
crafty 41 ( +1 | -1 )
French Wing Gambit Hi, can anyone out there recommend a good source on the internet regarding the French Wing Gambit? Better still, does anyone use as their opening against the French defence and would like to give some tips? I played this last night at my club only to find myself in a difficult postion when it was declined by black playing 4. c4.

1. e4 e6
2. Nf3 d5
3. e5 c5
4. b4 c4

How does White continue?
crafty 42 ( +1 | -1 )
French Wing Gambit Hi, can anyone out there recommend a good source on the internet regarding the French Wing Gambit? Better still, does anyone use as this as their opening against the French defence and would like to give some tips? I played this last night at my club only to find myself in a difficult postion when it was declined by black playing 4. c4.

1. e4 e6
2. Nf3 d5
3. e5 c5
4. b4 c4

How does White continue?